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Tightrope



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I feel like I am in a community of brethren spirits.

Yes, I think you are. If you think about it, most of us are very passionate about both music in general, and our work in particular. And we all have so many in-common, yet different experiences and histories (long or short) that associate us in a special way - be it trying to make a living at this, struggling with our engineering and tecnical skills, pouring our hearts and souls into something that, frankly, not a lot of people really care about - or at least don't understand and relate to ...

Don't get me wrong - I don't have the tortured artist syndrome. But, in the context of music, nothing means more to me than someone with similar passion who really appreciates something I've written, or produced - when it's sincere - and he or she really seems to "get" what I tried to do - even if it's relatively rare.
And tying this back to the original post topic here - the reason I say that is that to me, creating my own music is probably the most unique way I can try to communicate, and may be, to me, the most unique thing I do in general. I would think most people here may feel the same way?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add to what you were saying about Jean Luc-Ponty, Rick - I went to see him and John McClaughlin in Auckland New Zealand in the '70s; they had a string section with a young violiist by the name of Steven Kindler who would as legend had it , play Ponty's ad-libbed solos back to him in the dressing room after the gig.
How true I can't say other than to relate that my own band supported Jeff Beck/Jan Hammer and band on a three show "Blow by Blow" type tour a couple of years later.
Steven Kindler was in their front line then and was a real star of his instrument , be interested to know what happened to him. ( yeah I know.... try Google!)
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blueraven



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tighrope,

I liked what you said 'cause its the way I feel too.

The peer appreciation is def the meat as far as accolades go.

I like the friendly critique on the board to. I think there's 2 types;

1. The personal taste type, and

2. The quality of production type.

I guess since we all love music as a great outlet and form of expression,
its really hard to say you don't like something someone creates even tho it may not be your form of music.

The unique personal form of expression you mentioned is very important for me also. It's probably the most unique thing I do also.

rick
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blueraven



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reddirt,

Man your band must have been great to open for them.

I saw John also. Some awesume guitar playing for sure.

I did google him. I'd never heard of him. Kinda hard to hear his stuff online tho. Guess I need search some more.

Rick
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cidy Zoo wrote:
I think it is a deep curse when you start to create for approval, or worse yet vanity (a common affliction amongst musicians and actors in my personal experience).


Especially Drummers!
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JohnG



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello.

Happy Easter to y'all.

The spectrum of opinions on creativity remind me of the story about the physics professor.

A physics professor hands out 32 identical barometers to his students and says the first student who can tell him the exact height of the tallest building downtown, using ONLY the barometer, will get an A for the semester. With that, he started his stopwatch, dismissed the class and went downstairs to the cafeteria to get a cup of coffee and relax.

10 minutes later one of his students walks up to him and says "Professor, the tallest building downtown is 377 feet 8 inches tall.

Astonished, and not the least by the fact that the kid in front of him wasn't one of his better students, he said "That's exactly right! How did you get the answer so quickly?"

"Simple" said the kid. "I just went downtown and told the owner of the building if you'll tell me how tall it is, I'll give you a brand-new barometer".
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blueraven



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only prob with that story is the barometer didn't tell the student which building to go into to ask the question. He had other input for that.

But, I get your point.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bill, who is you're bro in law? - I frequently check out the KOTB contest
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A physics professor hands out 32 identical barometers to his students and says the first student who can tell him the exact height of the tallest building downtown, using ONLY the barometer, will get an A for the semester. With that, he started his stopwatch, dismissed the class and went downstairs to the cafeteria to get a cup of coffee and relax.

10 minutes later one of his students walks up to him and says "Professor, the tallest building downtown is 377 feet 8 inches tall.

Astonished, and not the least by the fact that the kid in front of him wasn't one of his better students, he said "That's exactly right! How did you get the answer so quickly?"

"Simple" said the kid. "I just went downtown and told the owner of the building if you'll tell me how tall it is, I'll give you a brand-new barometer".


Thanks for that, my girl friend loved this joke! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cidy Zoo wrote:
I think it is a deep curse when you start to create for approval, or worse yet vanity (a common affliction amongst musicians and actors in my personal experience).


To which acousticman wrote:

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Especially Drummers!


WTF is that supposed to mean? I hope you're being sarcastic. Plenty of guitar players out there wanking for vanity's sake, that's for sure.

Regarding Steve Kindler with the Jan Hammer/Jeff Beck Group--I saw them live outdoors in the summer of '76 at Pinecrest Country Club. Great group--the Jan Hammer band album "Oh, Yeah" was one of my favorites at the time--Kindler just tore that shit up. Great rhythm section with Tony Smith on drums and Fernando Saunders on bass. They did some incredibly deep shit on that record--one tune in particular floored me--I think it was called '23' because that was the time signature. Amazing to hear guys solo over that. Back to that concert with Jeff Beck--I think the loudest sound I have ever heard come off a stage was Beck's strat when they launched into "Train Kept a Rolling". Even though it was outdoors, Beck sounded WAY louder than Robin Trower indoors at the New Haven Colliseum a few months earlier. I think my ears bled for weeks after that.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blueraven wrote:
....Jean-Luc Ponty.... He took a classical background and put together one of the most creative and unique forms of sounds heard at that time. ...


Have you heard the recent David Grisman Quintet material? Click on this!!!

My Friend Dawg

The flute is played by Matt Eakle.

Here's the album and a link to the main site.



http://www.davidgrisman.com/acd_html/dawgtracks.html
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T,

Yeah I liked that. Am somewhat familiar with Grissman as I was into BG in the 70's. In a small folk/BG band then.

The rhythm reminded me of a guy I used to listen to at the time. Eddie Palmero<sp>. I think he was from Mexico or other environs south. Great rhythms and worth a listen also.

Thanks for the music.

Rick
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Spanky,

My bro' in law is Larry Daly. He just won the store finals at the Flint, Michigan store. I guess he goes to Canton, MI now for the next round.

Thanks for asking.

~ Bill
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musicdude-Paul



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete,
You tweeked my memory when I read what you said about Train Kept a Rollin. I remember sitting about 15 feet away on the second row from Jeff Beck at a club in Houston I think in 1968 or 69 when he started into that song. My God, I flashed back like it was yesterday, the music came into my head like thunder. That whole night me and my band members sat there in complete awe of this guy. His playing was the only thing we could hear that night. I even think Rod Stewart was doing lead vocals and I don’t don’t remember him at all, only Beck’s guitar.

This thread has really spurred my memory and thoughts about my musical influences. Early on I listened and played only British rock blues. As I got older I started listening to (if you can believe the diversity) Barry Manilow and Neil Diamond, then on to James Taylor. My next stop was Country – I mean Merle and Willy in the late 70’s early 80’s. I spent the next 20 years trying to write, record and produce Country with little success. Now I have regressed back to my roots and what is coming out is very cool, at least to me it is.

That’s the rub and I think what started this thread. Even though I’ve had no real (monetary) success at anything I’ve done musically, I’m very proud of the stuff. It’s all a mixture of me and to me it sounds no worse and sometimes much better than stuff I hear on TV or radio.

And I’ve come to one conclusion – you may disagree: Your music is a conglomeration of other work you have loved listening to or copied and learned from over the years. You love your music more than anybody else because it is just that – an original embodiment of all the music you loved.

What sets your music apart from the stuff that’s “famous” is PROMOTION, PUBLICITY, MARKETING. The simple truth is to get your music out there for other people to enjoy still takes a lot of hard work and compromise whether it’s the Internet or a record deal. More than most of us (speaking for myself of course) are willing to do. Some of it gets so bad that I’d call it prostitution rather than compromise.

I’m so beaten down from so much rejection of my songs, that I barely let anybody listen to them any more. I will hardly play it for my wife. Pretty bad huh. I still listen though.

Sorry for the long post.
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